Surrounding Yourself with Good Financial Advice

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Another year, another amazing time at DCBKK meeting all types of entrepreneurs building cool businesses. I often find that I have some of my most interesting conversations over meals – and this year was no different.

On Sunday, between breakout sessions and listening to speakers, I was sitting next to one of our esteemed speakers Nathan Barry at lunch.

He told me, he’d heard from a fellow entrepreneur, about a tax credit for companies that allowed for a significant ‘deduction’. It was originally created for manufacturers but, after further digging, it seems equally applicable to companies building software that fall under the category of ‘Qualified Domestic Production Deduction‘ on form 8903.

Then, a few weeks ago, Travis Jamison, a friend and frequent speaker at our events, shared this article about how you may qualify for ‘up to’ 100% tax-free on your startup investments.

Although I haven’t talked with anyone currently implementing this strategy, it certainly looks interesting.

All of this got me thinking: how important is it to be paying attention to tax saving strategies?

Often, in the community of small business owners and entrepreneurs, we spend the majority of our time and resources mining for revenue and building businesses. In general, most of the entrepreneurs I meet are probably over-optimizing their business and under-optimizing the amount of money that actually makes it to their personal bank account. I would include myself in this category.

Why is it hard to maximize the amount of money that hits your personal bank account?

Mostly I attribute it to incentivization and resources.

I would venture to guess that, some years, my accountant makes more money from me than he saves me. He is not paid based on performance but, rather, a yearly retainer. Maybe a good accountant should be like a good doctor: not only practicing but also diligently researching the newest laws, regulations and best methods. Unfortunately, it seems this is the exception rather than the rule. A lot of CPAs are simply filing returns, and singing off on company financials, without giving them much attention with regard to tax optimization.

Nathan told me something else – he recently switched accounting firms to one that is working with other software companies. This makes sense to me. Your accountant should probably be well versed in your industry, or focused on a niche. Like anything else, it’s impossible to be an expert in everything. You don’t go to a general practitioner if you have a major heart problem. So, why go to a general accountant to help with expat taxes, for example? The US tax code is one of the most complex in the world. It’s understandable that your accountant might not be optimizing for your business if they aren’t familiar with your niche.

I have more questions than answers about how to surround yourself with the best accountants and financial thinkers. But one idea I’d like to put out there for entrepreneurs is that they form small groups to share the costs and hire a full time CFO and Accountant. This would mostly be for companies that are somewhere between 1-5M in revenue, are in a similar niche and at a stage before most can afford to hire these positions full time. By pooling resources I think it might be possible to get more, say 20%, of an Accountant’s attention than I probably currently achieve, which I would estimate to be around 1%. The cost would be higher but, if they are specialized and well experienced in your niche, I think they may be able to make it worth the added expense by what they save you.

Surrounding yourself with good financial advice is much harder than it sounds. The information, and different views, about tax optimization can be confusing, and sometimes contradictory.

This post is probably no different :)

One step I’m taking this week is to have another accounting firm audit my previous tax returns and look for any efficiencies that may have been overlooked. Continuing with the doctor metaphor, a second opinion doesn’t cost much and could save you a lot of pain.

Published on 11.08.16
  • http://www.thesearchengineshop.com/ Brendan Tully

    Great post – in 2012 I changed accountant, he looked at previous returns and dug out 80k worth of deductions, basically free money

  • http://convertkit.com Nathan Barry

    It was actually Ian Landsman of Help Spot who told me about the deduction, and we switched to using the same CPA firm that he uses. So far it’s been a great experience.

  • Luke Dawson

    This is a fairly good representation of what happens in the industry. As one of those accountants (though focused on Australian clients), the ‘tick and flick’ mentality is something we see all the time. If your accountant isn’t looking at tax minimisation strategies and is too busy to be pro-active (another common theme), sack them and get a new one!

    I feel people have a false perception surrounding accountants in so much as they feel the accountant is the authority figure and what they say must be correct. I can tell you definitively this is not the case at all! There is also an unreasonable fear about moving accountants, a sort of ‘this person knows all about my business and no one else does’ irrationality. This could not be further from the truth, and given the rise of cloud accounting, moving accountants has never been easier.

    If you are looking at moving just remember there are bad accountants, just like there are bad mechanics. I would recommend asking for references from any prospective accountant and grill them hard in your preliminary meetings to see if they understand your industry. You are paying the accountants fees in the end, so demand a specialist in your industry and make sure they understand what you are looking for from the relationship!

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com/ Dan Andrews

    dang!

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com/ Dan Andrews

    cheers Nathan

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com/ Dan Andrews

    good points Luke, I’ve defo felt that ‘authority figure’ complex before getting to know a few experienced accountants and finding out that– surprisingly– they are human :)

  • http://www.LauraRoeder.com Laura Roeder

    Just sent both of these resources to my CPA to see if they apply to me, thanks!

  • http://www.TropicalMBA.com/ Ian

    Nice!

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com/ Dan Andrews
  • http://www.TropicalMBA.com/ Ian

    Ians all around!

  • Ryan Nagy

    There are quite a few expat Americans who are eligible for the Foreign Earned Income Credit and are not taking…even after talking to their accountants. It is a huge break 97K and some change. I have personally saved several friends 10’s of 1000’s of dollars in taxes, by telling them, “your accountant is wrong, you are eligible, send him this article…” and after several tries the accountant figures it out…

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com/ Dan Andrews

    totally, and it’s not 100% straightforward getting it (for example it doesn’t apply to dividend income, or at least that’s my understanding) so you need someone with experience helping their clients qualify and take the most advantage of it

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