7 Reasons Digital Nomads Avoid Bali

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I’ve written a lot about the reasons I love Bali: Bali vs. Thai vs. PhilsCost of Living in BaliThai Islands vs. BaliWhy I am Living in Bali. Today I thought I’d mix it up a bit.

This evening I’ll be booking tickets for a trip to some digital nomad hotspots. Ian and I will be visiting Manila, Cebu, Davao, Bangkok, Chiang Mai, and possibly Hong Kong. Many of you who follow the South East Asian scene will have surely noticed the blogosphere lighting up with glowing reviews of Chiang Mai. Aside from Bangkok, which I think is badass, I’ve never been captivated by Thailand as much as it’s neighbors. That said- I’ve never even visited the North. I’m looking forward to it.

David is hanging out there for a month along with a huge crew of DCers and other bloggers. We did some comparing and contrasting on the phone today and it got me thinking about some of the downsides of Bali for digital nomads. I’m still a huge advocate for Bali, but I’d like to highlight some of the potential downsides of Bali if you are evaluating places to hang out for a few months or years!

1) You can’t run webinars or schedule important phone meetings from your internet connection.

My biggest problem with living in Bali is the cost of assuring a solid internet connection. If you wanted to drop some serious loot solving this problem, you could probably do it. Off the top of my head, I’d say it would cost you $500 to $1000 a month. It would involve getting a dedicated line with an ISP (like a call center would have) and securing a backup internet connection in case your dedicated line goes offline. A set up like that would probably work, but it would be a lot of contracts, set-up time, and other BS that nobody really wants to deal with unless they are digging in for the long haul.

I’ve got service through Biznet, which is one of Bali’s best ISPs. That cost me just over $100 a month. My average speeds are 2MEG up and 2MEG down. So why can’t I run webinars? Good question. I’m not tech geek, but I think it has something to do with packet speed or lag or similar. Either way, it’s unavoidable (so far) and unpredictable. I’d say about 10% to 15% of my Skype sessions suffer from some kind of internet lag. I cannot predict when this will happen.

For $100 bucks a month, the stuff I can do with confidence:

  • Make outbound sales calls. Since service only lags 10-15% of the time, I can ensure my service is going fast, and dial away.
  • Watch videos online and download music and podcasts.
  • Do any and all online marketing tasks.
  • Work with heavy online software (although you will experience some productivity problems if you move really fast).
  • Schedule a phone call with a person or company with which I have some degree of familiarity (i.e., they’ll forgive me if my connection happens to suck).

The stuff I can’t do with confidence:

  • Schedule and host large web events.
  • Schedule phone calls with VIPs.
  • Anything that would rely on high quality video feeds or conferences.

If you talk to long term expats in Bali, they are bullish about prospects for improvement. Internet service has been improving radically over the past few years. The Indonesian government has high profile projects in the works to improve the service level in Bali, as well as connect the country to a second major pipeline through Australia as well. Currently, Indonesia only receives service through pipelines to Singapore.

It’s unclear what this development mean for ISPs in Bali, but if you need to do anything on the latter list you’ll need to fly to a city or risk it with the best connection you can find.

2) The scene is more suited to those in their late 20′s and upward.

For those of you who haven’t yet visited South East Asia, you might not be familiar with the huge scene here for travelers. It’s a pretty magical place to be wondering around for a few years. If you’ve got a backpack, and a desire to see some of the world’s most interesting cultures and beautiful sights, you’ll find plenty of like-minded people to join you.

You won’t find much of that scene in Bali though. Similar to the Philippines, Bali didn’t make it to the standard backpacker trail. The currents of tourism are different here– Aussies dropping in for a quick vacation or spring break blowout (similar to how Americans would go to Acapulco or Cabo), Asian tourists, high-end tourists from Europe, and surfers from all around the world.

My friends who’ve stayed in Bali for a while skew very heavily towards the 30′s crowd. My best friend describes Bali as: “South East Asia for grown ups.” It does seem that most of the 20-something interns who come to visit ultimately preferred somewhere else.

3) The visa situation.

If you travel often, you’ll find that visas to Bali can be expensive and a hassle relative to many other countries in South East Asia. I overlooked this issue until I started hanging out with interns here in Bali who were required to visit the immigration office 3 times to extend their visa on arrival. The alternative is to pay a 50 dollar consulting fee. Even after all that expense in either time or cash, after 59 days you’ll have to spend a whole day flying to Singapore and back.

If you want to avoid all of this, you can get a social visa, which is cheaper, but requires visiting (or mailing) a foreign consulate. The visa you’ll get after all that only allows for one entry. It’s is a good option if you laying low in Bali, but it can be a serious pain in the ass if you want to do any international travel.

4) It can be hard to find a place to live, especially for short terms.

It can take a few days to a week of work to find a place that decent in a reasonable budget, never mind the challenge of ensuring a reliable WIFI connection. Whereas in Thailand, Philippines, and Vietnam, you’d probably just post up in a hotel for a few weeks, Bali hotel rates would prevent many from doing that. Nice apartments and studio rooms in resorts with WIFI can range from $300 to $1200 a month, and are primarily found by calling classified listings (in real newspapers!) and by pounding the pavement.

If you want to solve these problems, you have to put up 12 months cash up front for rent on a house. You can get some amazing houses in Bali for 10-15K annually, but you’ll be out the cash up front. To further complicate it, once we rented our house, it took us 3-4 weeks to sort out a quality internet connection (the one our house came with wasn’t good enough).

Quick tip from my friend Tom– places in Bali carry a lot of weight on house exchange websites. You can swap your Bali house with home owners in other parts of the world who badly want to come stay in the one of the world’s premier island destinations. Never mind the fact that their place could easily cost 5X as much!

5) Although you can live in Bali for $1,000, the scene is geared for people spending more.

This one is a total judgement call, and obviously there are hundreds of “scenes” you could find yourself in here in Bali. I wrote a post a while back called “the real cost of living in Bali” where I laid out a budget to live in Bali for less than $1,200 USD. Although I believe that is relatively easy to do here, the feedback I’ve received from many of our interns is that they’ve struggled with this budget level. I realized I was the primary culprit here. The crowd I’m often around is living off a larger budget.

In Bali, the super cheap places are right next to the super high value amazing places. Today, for example, instead of eating local rice and chicken for 2 bucks, Ian and I ate at a gourmet salad joint right next door for 8 bucks USD (worth every penny). That kind of thing happens often. Temptation is everywhere and the value of Bali truly shines in the mid-range.

There are tons of other scenes to get involved in. Guys that hang primarily with locals or surfers will spend a lot less.

6) Drinking is expensive, ‘subdued’ partying, and dating.

Don’t get me wrong– Bali has a really solid nightlife. I never feel like I’m running thin on options here. If you are a party animal (as, ahem, many of us are) Bali doesn’t can’t really compete with Thailand and the Philippines. Spirits are also are taxed heavily. Prices range from $5-12USD for a cocktail, and 2-3 USD for a beer. The dating scene in Bali is good (talk about a high quality problem), but it probably doesn’t compete with many other spots in South East Asia. Depends a lot on your taste and demographic.

7) Traffic and transport.

If you like the action of Kuta, Legian, and Seminyak, you pretty much need a motorbike to get around. That means you’ll be sitting in some sweltering traffic jams and risking your life on a daily basis. It’s flat out dangerous to drive a motorbike in Bali, and it worries me bringing others into our house here knowing that they’ll be encountering that risk. If you are laid back and dig Sanur or Ubud, no motorbike required. But if you are living in the central areas and don’t have a bike, you’ll be missing out.

I still have nothing but love for Bali! Just thought I’d share with you some of the downsides. I love evaluating locations for business and lifestyle. Would love to hear your thoughts, as always.

Cheers,

Dan

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  • http://twitter.com/JetSetCitizen John Bardos

    It is definitely hard to beat Chiang Mai as one of the top destinations for digital nomads. I am loving it here!
    Here are some reasons why I love Chiang Mai.1. Inexpensive short term accommodations are widely available. Some have rented suites for as little as $100 per month.(We are paying $360 for a nicer place with kitchen.)2. Decent Wifi is everywhere in the city. (Not amazing speeds, but okay.)3. Great food for great prices. Dishes are as little as $0.70 and seldom more than $4.4. There are dozens of nomads and expats around at all times and they meet up regularly.5. Great cafes are everywhere. Try Ristr8to for world class espresso.6. There is a great live music and art scene.7. It is cooler (temperature wise) than Bangkok. 8. It is cheap to do visa runs to Laos or Burma.

  • http://www.opheliaswebb.com/ Elisa Doucette

    +1 on the motorbikes.  ;)
    Both the need for them to get places and the life/limb game they are.

    Even with the reality of all these downsides (many of which I’m shielded from with the gig here) I agree, Bali is still a pretty great place. I’ll let you know how it stacks up against Chiang Mai in May!

  • http://twitter.com/StefanTKing Stefan King

    I didn’t know there were so many DCers in Chiang Mai. Maybe it’s time for me to join and see some people face to face. I’m curious, let’s see how special the offer is.

  • Mike Park

    I never really understood the appeal of Bali. It always seemed like Phuket with less hookers and more Australians.

  • http://www.earnontheroad.com/ Earn On The Road

    I found Bali to be quite fun to live in for a little while. I didn’t think it was that hard to find cheap places to rent. I didn’t go to hotels, just rented a bungalow – Usually able to find places for about $10-$20 a night.

    I especially enjoyed learning to dive on Gili Trawagan. Definitely not an experience offered by most other countries.

    That said, I don’t think I’d really want to live there. There wasn’t much of a sense of “home” for me. It’s very touristy and transitory. People come, people go. 

  • http://betterateverything.info/ Brandon Loehr

    All this warm weather talk has me itching to get out of canada right now! -30C more than a few times last month and I’d give anything for some beach time. Might have to check out bali when things slow down a bit.

    Already on the list and looking forward to the offer tomorrow!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=564762743 Stuart Langridge

    Hi Dan,
    Nice post. You point out, but don’t answer, one of the key questions I have when I hear you rave about Bali. How can the place be a mecca for internet marketers if the internet connections suck??? It just seems so contradictory to me. One of the reasons I chose Malta to move to was for the opposite of that very reason – there are something like 450 online gaming firms based here. If the internet connections were bad, how could they function? Lifestyle is great, but to build an IM community, don’t you need the “I”? There are lots of places where it is possible to live well…

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    haha well yeah, for that reason not a ton of larger serious start-ups located here, or those that rely on voice connections. I’m not so much declaring Bali an internet mecca as finding it to be so…. the majority of people who run their internet businesses from Bali that I’ve met, they are willing to put up with the less than stellar internet in order to be located here…. even a handful of them require solid voice connections and they’ve found work-arounds. In my case specifically, if I didn’t have a desire to run webinars, it probably wouldn’t impact my business much at all. 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    speaking of great places! Montreal is one of my favorite spots, if only they could work out that winter issue they have going! Looking forward to visiting more of Canada in the future. Cheers, hope you find the offer useful.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Can’t say that’s not the case, lots of expat hardcores but can be difficult to locate, especially if they know you are bouncin’ in a few… I actually haven’t yet gotten my lazy ass to Gili, gotta do it. 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    WHAT?!?! Aside from the insane natural beauty, dignity, and depth of local culture, I think the thing I see long term expats responding most to about Bali is the ‘world class’ ness of the vibe here. Many long term expats have businesses, fashion shops, dine at gourmet restaurants, eat weird organic stuff for lunch, have cocktails in white linen at luxury beach clubs, stuff like that…or surfing…

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    should be cool! looking forward to it as well. 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Word, probably over 20 at this point. The price won’t change for the DC, but we’ll be outlining a new plan forward… ahh… you’ll see it in 10 hours, let me know if you have any questions when you receive it I’m happy to answer them. 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    John I loved your post on the topic, hoping to get a chance to sit down with you and here more when I get there. The one thing I’m looking forward to, in particular, is the cheap local food. Love Thai food. 

  • http://stankavich.com Mike Stankavich

    When are you gonna hit Cebu?  Maybe I’ll drop in & show you our office :)  
    I’m already planning to hit Cebu and Manila in late March.  And I’m thinking of Davao in May.  

    I’d like to give Penang, Malaysia a shout as a potential under-the-radar destination.  I’ve been here since last September.  There isn’t a big web entrepreneur scene here, at least not that I’ve found.  So far I’ve only met two travel blogger types (met one of them after she guest posted for Sean Ogle and she intro’d me to another) who live on the other side of the island in Batu Ferringhi.  

    Infrastructure is definitely better than Philippines.  I can’t compare to Bali or Chiang Mai because I haven’t been there yet. Cost of living is very reasonable – there’s kind of a land rush on, so there are a lot of speculators buying apartments and then renting them out for cheap.  I pay around $230 for a small 3 BR apt in the industrial area south of Georgetown.  It’s pretty blue collar, but certainly livable.  My full budget is around $900/month for everything all inclusive.

    My internet is 2MB DSL including landline for around $45/month.  Most times it’s good enough but sometimes gets a bit choppy on skype in the evenings.  I’ll probably try something faster when my family moves here in late March

    As for transport, motorbikes are also ubiquitous here.  Taxis are pricey, but there’s a pretty reasonable local transit system http://www.rapidpg.com.my/ with scheduled bus routes and a website to help you figure out how to get where you’re going.  I’ll probably be buying a motorcycle within the next few weeks.

    Culturally, it’s quite diverse.  There’s a mix of mostly muslim Malay people, ethnic chinese, and ethnic indians.  I don’t see many caucasians out in suburbia where I live, but there are quite a few tourists in the historic area of downtown Georgetown.  There’s a pretty wide range from wanderjahr backpackers to retirees, predominately from Australia.

    I’ll just drop the hint here that I will be in the market for an intern soon.  Let me know if you’re interested in that. And keep an eye on TWF :)

  • http://stankavich.com Mike Stankavich

    Oh I should have mentioned that the Penang party scene and dating options appear to be quite similar to Bali.  Alcohol costs as much or more than the prices Dan mentioned.  But there are options out there.  And if you want to get crazy, Thai border is only 4 hours away.  8-10 hours to Krabi & Phuket by bus, or of course short hop flight.

  • http://www.livinginthailand.net/ Neale

    If only I could get you all to relocate to Chiang Rai :-)  CR wins hands down over CM except for that crucial element of having a whole load of like minded people.

  • http://www.livinginthailand.net/ Neale

    Good to hear you will be in my part of the world, let me know when your in town and I will take a weekend in CM. Why is it that none of us ever consider Malaysia free 90 day visas, low cost of living somewhat westernized, sure a few states are alcohol free most are not though.

  • http://www.deano.de/ Deano

    beer costs too much :-D

  • http://www.facebook.com/vladimir.pashkov Vladimir Pashkov

    Great post Dan. What can I say. People that know me know my feelings about Bali. I traveled across SE Asia (Philippines, China, Thailand, Malaysia) backpacking and as a spoiled tourist and found my happiness in Bali. I can totally see myself having a base here for a couple of years for sure. Internet. I don’t do webinars. 1 meg is fine for my business. Being from China with slow and filtered Internet I am quite happy with it. However I fit in early 30s range I don’t think it’s not suitable for young folks. It all depends on your nature. Bali is a very deep spiritual place with incredibly vibrant culture that people live every day. Not for show. Visa situation sucks in certain matter however I find it very healthy to get out every 60 days. You can visit new destination every visa run. Australia, Vietnam, Singapore, etc. Just budget accordingly. Short term accommodation. Although I assumed the lease for 2 months, I see people getting month to month leases. It needs some work, however with some due diligence it’s not a big issue, I’d say. You definitely can live for a grand a month, but sure there’s a lot of opportunities to spend 10 times more. Be smart, find best price/quality ratio. I rarely eat local food for 2$, I spend 4-6$ per meal, however it’s High Quality healthy western food. Presentation/taste easy 30$ meal back in Canada. Drinks are expensive. Period. I try not to spend money on booze. I see no value. My first month here I didn’t drink at all. Price is a good motivation for me to stay away from it. And it’s not the PRICE per say, but I know I can have a good quality steak for a price of 2 beers. I chose steak. Traffic sucks. You ride, you crash. Just a matter of time. I take my bike to go to the beach and go shopping for groceries. If I go visit someone in Kuta or Seminyak, I take a taxi, If I want to see Bali, I rent a car. Car rent is just 20$ per day and I can totally justify it. That’s my solution for latter. And I walk. I walk a lot here and can’t get enough of it. Great time to de clutter your head.
    I outlined some points in my post here http://egoisticlife.com/quick-update-bali-field-notes-3.html
    In 2 words. This place is awesome. The Best. I haven’t been to Chiang Mai, but all other places suck compared to Bali. Cool to visit, but not to live. In Bali you can live.

  • http://languagemusings.com/ Tristan

    Nice to see the flipside, Dan.  If they’re waiting to get great internet from Australia, god help you ;-)

  • http://twitter.com/connibiesalski Conni Biesalski

    Wow, interesting perspective. 

    ad 5) Really depends on how much you need to make a living. It’s pretty crazy to think about how Westerners live it up on Bali. I know we all love geo-arbitrage, but man, all that over-indulgence and over-consuming makes me a bit sick to be honest.

    I’m heading back down to Bali in April and then on to Gili T in May to stay over high season.

    You guys open for having a drink? Would love to have a chat and a good ol’ Bintang!

    And since you’ve never been to Gili T, I’ll offer to be your personal scuba dive instructor (or guide, in case you’re already certified)!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=891600524 Stacey Herbert

    After 6 months in Bali, and nearly 3 months here…I can really see the difference in terms of outgoings. Chiang Mai is hands down better value for money. But there is no bean bag bar….warung Pantai…your porch :-)  Although not a city girl,  I’m seriously consider setting roots here possibly until the end of the year. As far as cities go CM is pretty much perfect in my book. I ride around here every day going  …I fucking love this place!  And I’m a pretty picky customer. I think your gonna love it here…and if you don’t I want to know why the hell not!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=891600524 Stacey Herbert

    Agreed….and after longer than1 week Malaysia seams to get annoying and very same-y!

  • http://www.yomadic.com/ Nate Robert

    Fair assessment of Bali. I couldn’t do the nomadic thing in Bali, there are better islands for that.
    RE: Hong Kong …it is a city to beat most cities. I’m heading there end of next week, on a scouting mission for my late 2012 base…

  • Kristof Alentijns

    Also, wear a dust mask if in traffic, exhaust fumes are horrible :). Amazing surf in Bali and surrounding islands though!

  • JustinWCooke

    I’ve been putting it off, but I think I’m going to have to take a trip to Chiang Mai this year.  There do seem to be a ton of people migrating there to build their businesses and I think it would be great to connect with some people there, for sure.  Plus, I love Thailand (Thai food…mmmm…) and haven’t been there for quite a while!

    I’ve been talking to a few people about the cost of living in Davao recently and I think the same thing applies in Bali.  If you’re looking to live in either place on the CHEAP your costs are only slightly lower than they might be living on the cheap in a less-expensive city in the West.

    It’s when you start to pick up all the “extras” that you really start to find value.  (Live-In maid, massage on a regular basis, VIP rooms in the clubs, etc.)  Those extras can be done for REALLY cheap over here and allow you to live a $2,500-$4,000/month life that feels like a 10K+/month life in the West.  You can then pocket/save the rest of your cash or reinvest in your business…

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Agree RE: Thai food and your insight about the mid range being the “torque band” of value is spot on. At 2K monthly you can live 5X what you’d do in the US (by some measures) but no question Thailand preforms better under 1K IF you need internet!! especially. Looking forward to checking out Davao.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Bali’s appeal took a blow when you left!!! Looking forward to visiting you in a few weeks, hoping you’ll show me around a bit ! 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    haha agreed with both :)

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Looking forward to returning to Hong Kong as well, EPIC! 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    hahaha, I lol’d. 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    sure! even outside of the consumption though, for 2K a month in Bali I can get a home that would cost 10K a month on the Jersey shore :)

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    great to have you here in Bali Vlad, I’ve been enjoying following your posts about your change of location. 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    haha, i’m thinking of being in Cebu in less than 10 days! I gotta get my act together and book something. Looking forward to helping you out on the intern Mike, and thanks for a look into your lifestyle here. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=891600524 Stacey Herbert

    Done!

  • http://www.balifornian.com/ Michael

    Hey Dan

    1st time, long time.  I wanted to thank you for all the great information and references.  I know you are an advocate of Bali but I wanted to try to help with a few things.  I have been coming to Bali for almost 20 years and I am about to move back full time (My wife and I run tours to Bali and are building luxury villas and wellness retreat).  But back to the point, the internet is most certainly frustrating at times but things are getting better- especially in Ubud. Check Clear for example, their connection is one of the best I have found. 

    As far as the scene, I know you are in Seminyak but there are all kinds of great places as well.  Perhaps when I arrive, and you get back from your trip, we can show you around to some of the more hidden spots. It does skew a bit older than early 20s though as you say.

    There are cheaper ways to deal with the visa as well and we can talk about those.

    The more time you spend there, the more money savers and cool spots you will find.  And we are always happy to share our experience.  Check our blog for some good tips and we can talk more when I get back to Bali in April. 

    Looking forward to connecting,

    Michael 

    http://www.balifornian.com

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Cheers Michael I appreciate the offer! I agree with you there are tons of great spots all around. I’ll probably spring for a business visa in a few months as well. 

  • http://www.balifornian.com/ Michael

    Right on Dan
    Lets try to connect in Bali as I think we can help each other and there are some exciting options to discuss. If your down to meet up for a beer or something, please let me know how to get in touch once were back in Bali.
    You can email me at m@balifornian:disqus .com  (feel free to edit that out)
    Thank you,Michael 

  • http://betterateverything.info/ Brandon Loehr

    Hah I know what you mean, I’ve lived all around in ontario and that area including montreal is amazing, especially if you avoid the winters!
    Now I’m on the west coast (BC) of canada and love it. Still cold winters but the nature and environment around here can’t be beat!
    Cheers and Hope you can see some more of canada
    Let me know if you’re ever in the area

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  • http://www.facebook.com/lornali Lorna Li

    CRAP! I have been talking to expats who live in Bali who assure me that the Internet is stable enough to support video Skype, but none of them run webinars, large online events, group coaching calls or record video interviews with CEOs, so I place 80% faith in their opinion.

    This seriously changes my game plan to relocate to Bali. Plus, the time difference makes working with the US dreadful. If I want to schedule a meeting with someone in California, it can only happen at midnight or 8am Bali time (9am or 5pm PST). I am NOT a morning person so that rules out 8am, and I really don’t want to be in the habit of working past 2am, which I recently learned is bad for your health and makes you age faster. : – (

    So it may be Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro for me. Perhaps it’s better to avoid the Balinese detour and go straight to Brazil, which is where I want to end up anyways.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Yes, unfortunately it’s true. Gotta stand behind what I wrote here. I assume it’ll be better in a few years (it’s been improving dramatically) but I can’t trust it to run big webinars / CEO calls etc.

  • http://twitter.com/ericvanbuskirk Eric Van Buskirk

    Awesome post. I’m a digital worker, and it’s taken me 3 hours of hunting on GOOG to find all the info you have in this short peice.

  • http://www.pinchmeliving.com/ Aaron

    Thanks for this post. We are digital nomads and are moving to Bali in the next few months for a longer stay, probably be there for a few years as we are taking our dog with us so have to make it worth the cost! Internet is obviously a key requirement for digital nomads, we run a blog site and I also trade FX so will probably be looking at spending a fair whack on internet each month, it appears as though it can be a bit hit and miss depending on the location and provider you have, we will probably need a dedicated line, comes with the territory though and something we are happy to deal with given the other benefits of living in Bali. We have investigated several options, as a backup there are plenty of internet cafes and hot spots should we get into a bad situation with our home office internet. I will keep you posted on how we go with the internet over there.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Cheers Aaron, almost went that route myself, it’s doable for sure! Agree it’s worth it…

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    cheers thank you !

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