5 Reasons Your Internet Business Should be Based in Hong Kong — Even if You Are in the USA

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I often say “location independent” isn’t location arbitrary. Your location matters. If you’ve got a little freedom to move around, you should use it to benefit your business.

Ian and I have been interested in offshore corporations for just over a year now. Before that time, our discussions on business structure revolved around LLC vs C-corp and California vs. Delaware. We heard about offshore corporations, but we thought they were the domain of the rich and powerful– the jetset and ballin’.

That’s changing. The barrier to entry is lower than ever. The information is out there. It’s feasible for most internet business owners to get set up in Hong Kong, Singapore, the British Virgin Islands, or elsewhere. If you run your business from your laptop, you can enjoy the same benefits that the rich, powerful, and jetset have for decades.

I’m learning about all this as I go. That’s why I’m writing about it. Please don’t take my word for it. In fact, I’m hoping for your feedback. There are many people in our forum who know way more than myself. Those are the folks who schooled me.

I owe a huge thanks to DCers Mike and Chris for flying from China to the first Tropical MBA summit in Puerto Galera. They were able to spend hours with me walking me through the details. That helped me to turn complicated information into action. I owe those guys more than a beer. They saved me 1000′s of dollars and made the whole summit worth it for me financially. Even if they hadn’t shared their business experience, those guys are tons of fun so it still would have been worth it :D (Also HT required for many DCers, but most importantly to Chris for writing up his experiences, and to Matt for being an insanely generous super-guru).

I suspect that for many internet business owners, the prospect of having a Hong Kong corporation seems distant, irrelevant, and maybe just off the radar.

Here are the 5 benefits I didn’t know about Hong Kong corporations before last year.

1) Getting a Hong Kong Corporation is Relatively Cheap and Easy.

When you are growing a business you are strapped for cash. The task of setting up offshore companies can be daunting and distracting. Setting up in Hong Kong, though, is cheaper and easier than you probably think. If you start your own company and work through a firm like Jumpstart, you can get your company started in a few weeks for about $600 USD.

You’ll also need an address and phone number– that’s about $30 USD a month for us. There are tons of companies in Hong Kong that provide that service.

The biggest expense? You’ll need to fly to HK to open a bank account. As far as I know, you can only open one in person at the bank. It only takes 20 minutes. You need to have a minimum balance in business accounts at most banks (we use HSBC), but it’s small. There are also places you can stay in central HK for $50 bucks a night on AirBnB. It’s a great place to visit anyway. Win, win! You could get all of this done for less than 2K (including travel) if you are coming from a western country.

2) Hong Kong Corporate Tax Rate is 0% For Transactions Outside of Hong Kong.

For all transactions completed outside of Hong Kong, the tax rate is zero. That’s sweet. Keep in mind for Americans this doesn’t mean you don’t pay taxes. Americans must pay taxes on all income they earn from corporations, even if they are overseas. You need to keep track of how much money you earn from that corporation and ensure you pay personal income taxes on it. It’s complicated, but that’s the basic gist. Either way you’ll save on sales taxes and corporate taxes at minimum.

3) You Can Write Off More Expenses Against a Hong Kong Corporation.

I find the US tax code stingy in what one can write off against corporations. I feel I spend most of my time working towards the success of my enterprises. Because of this, it drives me crazy that the IRS doesn’t let me write off my commute as a business expense. How about that beer I bought a client? No. What about the apartment I stay in? I rented it because it’s close to the office! No.

Here is the straight shot– if you are set up in Hong Kong you can write off a great number of expenses against your corporation that the IRS considers “personal.” This move alone could save you thousands annually.

4) Hong Kong is a World Recognized Leader in Banking and Business.

Not so pumped up about the track record of your American bank? I don’t blame you. Hong Kong’s economy is built on the idea of safe, secure, and easy banking for businesses. It’s a great first step to diversifying your assets outside of American borders.

Working with Hong Kong also won’t put you on any IRS blacklists. Also, you can easily keep and transfer your cash into multiple currencies. Hong Kong banks are highly international and adept and handling currencies from all around the world. In fact, when a customer pays me in Euros, my HK bank holds it in Euros until I tell them to transfer currencies.

Further, you’ll be able to sign up for merchant banking accounts with ease. You can have your HK Paypal account up and running 2-3 days after you walk out of HSBC’s head office in Hong Kong. Try that in the Philippines!

Finally, your customers will generally see your official company name upon checkout. In certain industries it’s a big issue. People won’t want to check out through “Tropical MBA China Co.” Hong Kong has a brand that Westerners trust more than any other in Asia.

5) A First Step Towards Globalization.

As the costs of ‘globalizing’ your business go down, taking the first step out of the door, in this case a relatively low cost one, can be a huge competitive advantage. In the first niche I entered, we crushed it because we manufactured in China. We won in our second niche because while our competition was getting Joomla themes designed by contractors in California, we had a whole team building and optimizing websites in Southeast Asia.

In my experience so far, Hong Kong feels like a better place to bank and do business than the US, and that alone is worth something. You are also only 2 hours away from the largest manufacturing base in the world, plus a short plane ride from all my favorite Southeast Asian destinations.

I see doing business in Hong Kong as our first step in making a more financially efficient company.

From what I’ve seen so far– and on this point I’m most interested in your feedback– if you run an internet business, and aren’t seeking huge investment in the US, and you have the 2K to fly off to HK and stay there a few days, you should be set up in Hong Kong.

If you are planning to set up in Hong Kong, and want to have in-depth and specific feedback on your plans, or want to compare Hong Kong with other popular offshore destinations like Singpaore, and British Virgin Islands among others, these are exactly kind of things we discuss in our forum. It’s the cheapest place in the world to get this kind of information (I’ve looked everywhere, if you know of some great place let me know) and it’s chock-o-block full of people who have done it before.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Dan

PS, read about my friend Chris’ experience here: Setting Up a Hong Kong Company
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  • http://stankavich.com Mike Stankavich

    I have so gotta do that, as soon as I have a few extra pennies to rub together.  Thanks for sharing, great stuff!  And yes, if you’ve been thinking of joining Dynamite Circle, it’s worth it.  You’ll find lots more of this sort of information on the inside.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Hey Mike thanks for that shout!! :D

  • http://www.virtualbusinesslifestyle.com/ Chris C. Ducker

    Dan – this was one of the best posts I’ve seen here for a while.

    Why? First up… It gets people thinking. I also have a HK Corp. It really WAS that easy to set it up… I believe it cost me a little more, but not a not.

    Secondly, there is enough info here to ‘get started’, but not TOO much that one becomes overwhelmed.

    However – there is ONE big issue. Well, its not really an ‘issue’, as in ‘problem’. It’s a time-consuming pain in the butt HK Tax Year accounting thing… They want copies of EVERYTHING. I mean every single invoice. Every bank statement, etc.

    I have someone do all this for me, of course. But, if I didn’t have that luxury, it would be a big pain in the butt. If there’s a way around it – I don’t know of it yet and I would LOVE to be proved wrong on this one!! :-)

    Bottom line, however – I’d rather have a pain in the butt, than less money in my bank account!!!!!!!!!!Keep rockin’.

    C

  • Lorna

    Hey Dan,

    So you are talking specifically about a corp structure, like s-corp or c-corp, & not LLC? Not sure if I want to stick my internet biz under a corp, bc the biz consists of myself only, its way more paperwork, & I don’t ever intend to go public.

    I am looking for a biz structure +location that:

    - permits me to list an entity as the director / member & NOT my own name.
    - offers max privacy related to domain names I own
    - isn’t going to lock up my capital
    - isn’t going to be too expensive / complicated to maintain

    What I’ll most likely end up doing is creating a multi level structure combining biz incorporation w asset protection

    I am currently looking into Nevis LLCs – do you have any insight.

    Great news is, I still have a HK permanent residency ID card.

  • http://www.nomadcouch.com/ Juha Liikala

    This was very, VERY interesting and a true eye opener post. I too have had the presumption that setting up a company overseas is something out of a regular small business owners reach.

    Dan, I’m really hard considering joining the dynamite circle if the information inside is something like this or even better.. whoa! I’m curious, in how many countries have you registered a business so far?     

    Looking forward to more posts like this one! Cheers!

    - Juha

  • http://twitter.com/Yemoonyah Yamile Yemoonyah

    Hey Dan,
    when I joined the Dynamite Circle I had no clue that this was possible at all!
    Now I am planning a trip to SE Asia and also Hong Kong to set up my biz there next year. So, thanks for all the great info and inspiration :-)

  • http://joelrunyon.com/two3 Joel Runyon | [BIT]

    I know you’re mostly experienced in Asia, but I thought this was an interesting article along the same lines, except with Israel. You might not get the geo arbitrage benefits of Asia cost of living, but it was interesting to hear about the business environment created over there.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/09/what-every-government-except-one-doesnt-get-about-startups/244467/

  • http://www.howtovanish.com Trace

    Dan, Are you willing to recommend Jumpstart? They are about 1/3rd the cost of other providers I have had recommended. I find often you get what you pay for though. So I am just wondering what their level of professionalism, quality of service, etc. is.

    Thanks.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Chris,
    Thanks a lot for that. Appreciate it. Continuing to try and make things better here. 

    I agree with the issue you bring up. Trying to consolidate the way you process your payments can work. For example, if you are internet business person and run all your stuff through one paypal account for each corporation, it can minimize the paperwork hassel. But you are right, there is the admin cost here. Further, you need to keep all records for 7 years for potential audits. So this isn’t like Panama or anything, ya gotta keep your shit tight! 

    Great weight in here.. perhaps calls for a follow-up.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Hey Trace– 100%. I couldn’t believe how easy it was and how quality the work was. I have friends who have used them too and no issues. They were recommended strongly to us by American business guys who live in China. I just think they have a lot of scale so they are able to offer great pricing. 

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Rockin’ man, thanks for pointing that out…

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    So cool! Love to see you taking huge action, when you get your details in cement be sure to message us we’ll get on Skype and make sure you get it done smooth and cheap.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    So cool! Love to see you taking huge action, when you get your details in cement be sure to message us we’ll get on Skype and make sure you get it done smooth and cheap.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    So cool! Love to see you taking huge action, when you get your details in cement be sure to message us we’ll get on Skype and make sure you get it done smooth and cheap.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Cheers Juha. So far we have businesses in 3 countries. More on that stuff inside. If you are doing stuff like that, worth the money to join.

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Lorna,
    We started with an LLC in CA. If I could do it all over again, I would have started with a corporation. The reason is tax and organizational flexibility. We started with LLCs because we didn’t want to spend a lot of time on paperwork, but then we found it cost us a lot to do a change over. In some ways we weren’t planning for ‘success’ but its a bit different for each business structure. I have a lot more to say on this, but it’s probably best that you start a thread in the DC so others can weight in and some stuff is a little sensitive. Thanks for checkin’ this one out! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/nandrin Nandrin Louis

    hey dan, good post, just did a write up on this on the website i work for

    -Nan

    http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/for-the-entrepreneurs-setting-up-your-corp-overseas-a-la-hong-kong

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    BALLA! Thanks for the shout! 

  • http://www.lifestylebusinesspodcast.com/ Ian

    Confirmed Trace, Jumpstart is the way to go in my opinion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509472 Danny Michlewicz

    Great post Dan..  Very interested in point #3.  Because you are set up  in HK, accounting rules for expenses that u can claim are larger, even if you are located in say Bali with citizenship in USA?

  • Lorna

    OK, so here’s my DC forum thread – would love if you’d feature this discussion
    : – )

    http://www.dynamitecircle.com/forum/topics/incorporation-anxiety-help

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    This is a complicated question/answer– I suspect these advantages would be even more profound for somebody spending the majority of their time in the US… where personal/business expense distinctions are very stingy, in my opinion. If you are getting the foreign income exclusion and all of your big time expenses are overseas anyhow, having a HK corp to benefit from #3 would likely still be relevant, but not as profound a benefit.

  • Anonymous

    fascinating post! This blog is a gem :)

  • Anonymous

    fascinating post! This blog is a gem :)

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Haha :) wish my mother thought so! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/nandrin Nandrin Louis

    comment in our forum re your post: 

    “Have a quick read through “Red Capitalism” by Walter/Howie, and let us know if you want to be exposed to banks who serve mainly as a wealth transfer mechanism between westerners and the Party (add up IPO money and dividends paid, and look who’s the majority shareholder), and to a country whose upcoming NPL crisis will be beyond anything the US could ever imagine. In Guandong and Hainan, where the real estate bubble banking model was initially tested, the NPL rate was up to 90% by the end of the experiment.  I’m sure some of the Caribbean or Antilles (e.g. St Kitts) have very good offshoring facilities, and Switzerland is probably one of the best place in the world to start up. China? Hmmm…

  • John Galt

    The simple fact is that the west has had it’s day in the Sun. Everything is making it’s way east and Americans and Europeans need to realise that if they don’t adapt (and quickly) their children and grandchildren are all going to be houseboys and maids for the wealthy Chinese. Look, it ain’t going to be smooth sailing in Asia, but this century will be theirs, as the last was the US. Why do you think that Jim Rogers sold his New York home and moved his entire family to Singapore?

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    John it’s an honor to have you as a blog reader! 

  • Rbn8774

    Hi Dan,

    I am currently doing a research on how to set up a Company in HK and Singapore and this topic is very helpful- Thanks a lot!

    It was actually Chris Ducker who have me this link ( thank you so much for this  Chris )

    I just would like to know if you know of any other companies in Hong Kong and singapore that provide this kind of services aside from jumstart.

    Thanks in advance-

    Renee

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Cheers Renee thanks for stopping by and checking out the blog. I know there are tons of companies that provide these services. I don’t have any direct experience with them or even know their names. All of my close friends used Jumpstart and everyone is happy with them. 

  • Yes

    If you are American, there are fewer tax advantages than an LLC in the US. Why? Because you have to pay income tax in either case, and with an LLC you can take more write-offs for being self-employed, including overseas advantages.

  • Nathan Cruz

    So, I understand I wouldn’t have to pay HK taxes if the income I’ve generated is outside of HK, but am I able to roll that over without paying taxes as long as I like? 

    For instance let’s say I net 200k and pay myself out 50k so I pay personal income tax (USA) on that but I can keep the other 150k in the business to reinvest indefinitely?

  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    it depends on how you earned the income, if its from normal business activities and not passive investment income, my understanding is yes. don’t take my word it on, though.

  • http://www.theuniuni.com/ Payton_vege

    Amazing write-up! This could aid plenty of people find out more about this particular issue. Are you keen to integrate video clips coupled with these? It would absolutely help out. Your conclusion was spot on and thanks to you; I probably won’t have to describe everything to my pals. I can simply direct them here!

  • http://www.mingbongo.com/ Fin

    Wow! I’m coming to Honk Kong. I want an International bank and it sounds great. Actually, I’ll check out the forum and find out about Singapore too.

  • http://www.quora.com/Startupr/Is-Hong-Kong-a-good-place-to-start-an-online-business#ans1054024 Startupr: Is Hong Kong a good place to start an online business? – Quora

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  • http://www.tropicalmba.com Dan

    Singapore also an excellent location to set up a biz.. a tad more expensive, but better Airport :D

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